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Mike Luckovitch sums up the proposed Federal Marriage Amendment in one simple, effective image.

Andrew Sullivan’s been passing on email he’s been getting on the FMA matter. Here’s an interesting thought:
Jews used to be the canary people. Jews still play that role but today, even more so, that role is played by gays. You can judge a party or a leader by how he treats this group, the one group it is still safe to hate in America.

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Date: 2004-02-26 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
Yeah, I like that canary quote.

A point I saw raised several years ago is that many of the common antisemitic stereotypes have been recycled to be used against gays.

Gays/Jews are wealthier, better educated, have a covert agenda to subvert mainstream Xian society, control the media, are sexually exotic, have nefarious plans to kill or corrupt Xian children... I forget the whole list, but they're strikingly similar.

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Date: 2004-02-26 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kent-allard-jr.livejournal.com
Note: Items 1 and 2 are true, on average, as they are for many other groups. (At least for unclosetted gay Americans; no one knows about closeted.)

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Date: 2004-02-26 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bigscary.livejournal.com
Antisemitism, classically, has always drawn from both the bigotry wells, and modern anti-Asian bigotry does as well (though there was always an element of it: the bigot-pattern seemed to be to fear the one smart Asian in charge of endless, filthy, yellow hordes).

And of course, our canary status is still unchanged. It's been a long time in America since a major motion picture could propagate the deicide charge and still be so widely accepted.

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Date: 2004-02-26 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
Actually, I believe that's an urban legend based upon an upscale gay magazine's demographic survey of their readership that was geared towards trying to attract advertisers.

Other more reliable evidence including census data do not support any such difference.

[Oh, and look! while I was trying to find the source of that myth, I came across a list of similarities between anti-Jewish & anti-gay rhetoric...]

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Date: 2004-02-26 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kent-allard-jr.livejournal.com
I would have appreciated a reference, it took me an hour of Google searching to find any solid evidence one way or another.

Anyway, I finally found Badgett's paper. Badgett doesn't provide as much information as he should (I'd like to see a more detailed description of his model), but it looks basically sound. So I'll concede the argument.

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Date: 2004-02-26 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
I would have appreciated a reference, it took me an hour of Google searching...
Sorry. I'm normally insanely rigorous about providing sources (to the point that I sometimes take longer to find authorities to reference than the actual writing) but I posted this before leaving for work and was under a time crunch.
In the future, if you feel I haven't supported my arguments sufficiently, you're free to challenge me to back them up. [I believe burden of proof generally falls upon the person making the claim.]

Sorry for any inconvenience.

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Date: 2004-02-26 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] womzilla.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure I've seen the label "the one group it is still safe to hate in America" seriously applied to gays, fat people, the rich, Asians, the child-free, rat fanciers, smokers, albinos, and Englishmen.

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Date: 2004-02-26 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kent-allard-jr.livejournal.com
No problem. Thanks for correcting my misapprehensions.

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Date: 2004-02-27 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kent-allard-jr.livejournal.com
I also like Tom Toles' latest:

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