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razor curvesSomeone at The Economist with a bit of extra time on his hands was looking at the recent proliferation of many-bladed razors, and noticed that the time gap between blade increments seems to be shrinking: 70 years before someone added the second blade, a couple of decades to the third, only two or three years between the four-bladed Schick Quattro and the five-bladed Gillette Fusion. Might there be a Moore’s Law for razors blades? Hence the chart over there.

Now, that power-law curve predicts 14-bladed razors by the year 2100, but that’s not the interesting curve. The interesting curve is the hyperbolic one, for two reasons: One, it matches the real-world data. And two, it goes to infinity in 2015. And how are you going to get an asymptotically-accelerating number of blades onto a razor? Why, you’d need godlike super-technology to do that.

Right. There it is, proof of the approaching Vingean Singularity, sooner than anyone expected it, clear as the chin on your face.

(Update!)

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Date: 2006-03-21 04:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] solarbird
When the experimental 2015 razor collapses in on itself in a world-denuding black hole of blades, they'll say they did it for t3h lulz.

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Date: 2006-03-21 09:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mylescorcoran
If I didn't sport a full beard I too would want to shave nano-closer. I for one welcome our future Aleph-0 bladed overlords.

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Date: 2006-03-21 10:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
I don't think it takes godlike powers to produce nanotech hair-nibblers.

Occam's Razor?

Date: 2006-03-21 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Has Ray Kurzweil been shown this data? Or does he own Schick stock?

another factor

Date: 2006-03-21 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
A factor this study didn't include may allow us to start the curve much earlier and get some interesting results: not mentioned was the SIZE of the blade involved. Early shaving systems used hand-held, general purpose knives, which evolved over time into the straight razor, a smaller, special purpose blade. With the advent of the safety razor, which was invented in the 1890's but didn't achieve widespread acceptance until WW I, the blade shrank still further. There were several intermediate reductions in size (e.g. Schick injector) between the original safety razor and the advent of the first 2-bladed device. Projecting this curve leads us to nanoblades, each specifically targeted to a single hair, so that with one swipe, the entire beard can be removed in record time.

S curve

Date: 2006-03-21 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
More than likely if the curve continues, it will eventually level off asymtotically. Just google "s curve" and you can see what I'm talking about. Examples of problems that Gillete and company might run into that would cause the exponential growth to level off:

1) They hit physical limits that make it cost-prohibitive or just plain impossible to increase the number of blades. Maybe the blades would have to be so thin at some point that they could not be made strong enough?

2) Shaves get "good enough" that consumers don't see the advantage in paying for the next big upgrade.

I'm thinking that (2) would pretty much kill the exponential growth for good when it happens. However, the physical limits that cause S-curves are often overcome by jumping substrates. As an example, in the computer industry we went from vacuum tubes to transistors, etc.

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Date: 2006-03-21 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jcb.livejournal.com
this is why i love econ

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Date: 2006-03-21 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xuenay.livejournal.com
Gold. :)

(And actually a pretty good criticism for all those "these charts prove the Singularity's coming soon"-arguments.)

fusion web site

Date: 2006-03-21 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think Gillette has already anticipated this tread. I mean, they have a futuristic portal specially designed for thier rayzor.
http://www.gillettefusion.com/us/

Re: Occam's Razor?

Date: 2006-03-21 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Is "Schick Stock" similar to "Sticker Shock", another modern phenomenon?

Re: another factor

Date: 2006-03-21 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pavel-lishin.livejournal.com
It won't even be a razor, per se. It'll be a sort of mask, custom-fitted to your face. You'll just put your face in, and take it out, leaving any unwanted facial hair inside.

God help you if your face gets chubby, though.

Re: S curve

Date: 2006-03-21 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pavel-lishin.livejournal.com
2) Shaves get "good enough" that consumers don't see the advantage in paying for the next big upgrade.

Pssh. That's for Marketing to wrestle with. Their whole job is convincing people to buy things they don't need. How many people right now could tell the difference between a 3-blade shave and a 4 blade shave? I bet darn few. And those few are probably just bullshitting.

The 2015 Singularity

Date: 2006-03-21 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I was worried about our future considering that our most "cutting-edge/high-tech" (bad pun intended) advances are now applied to razor blades and tooth brushes, but I didn't know it would bring about the end of the universe. I prefer electric anyway.

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Date: 2006-03-21 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bigscary.livejournal.com
Right alongside, better electric shaving is helping to drive AI.

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Date: 2006-03-22 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dershem.livejournal.com
Those of us with beards just laugh quietly to ourselves.

Nine Years to Singularity

Date: 2006-03-22 11:45 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think the end of razor blades is near. Pretty soon, thanks to stem cell therapy, we'll be able to keep a baby face as long as we want. I'm selling both my Shick and Gillette shares. Francois.

Minds think

Date: 2006-03-22 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] contrafrutexus.livejournal.com
Two days ago I was talking with a drug-store clerk about razors, because I realised that I can't see a display for the five-bladed apparat without thinking of the Onion's "F*** It, We're Going for Five Blades", as well as Saturday Night Live "triple-track" ad parody circa 1976.

In any event, he said, "When are they going to six?," and I immediately spouted back, "Why stop there?...'Announcing, the InfiniBlade!,'---but they'd need nanotechnology to make it."

The cool thing is, it should act as a diffraction grating, so the Skittles slogan can be recycled into "Shave the Rainbow."

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Date: 2006-03-23 07:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arcanequeen.livejournal.com
I don't know any of you personally but I read this journal and the comments regularly. I am so impressed with the writing, the topics, and the quality of the discussion. Thank you all so much. Please keep it up.

tmqb called it

Date: 2006-03-24 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9213999
(near the bottom)
tuesday morning quarterback writes a column. he used to call "gillette stadium" in foxboro, massachusetts "next-one-will-have-five-blades field".

from his feb 7, 2006 column:

Patriots Announce Stadium to be Renamed: Next One Will Have 11 Trans-Dimensional Nanoprobe-Embedded Force-Field-Projecting Blades Field: Reader Josh Byrne of Philadelphia relates the news that Gillette's six-blade razor has already been trumped -- Hitachi just released a 10-bladed razor, which "plays at invariable speed, ensuring the overall effectiveness." As noted last week, TMQ's Law of Razors holds that each century will see a razor with blades equal to the factorial of the highest number of blades on a razor of the previous century. This means that in the 22nd century, someone will market razor with 3,628,800 blades (10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1).

Next thing you know....

Date: 2006-03-27 10:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
...there will be razors with hundreds of blades that use motors.

infinity

Date: 2006-03-27 10:55 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Little nanabots that make their own blades and cut hairs as they grow.

Re: S curve

Date: 2006-03-27 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, I can tell you the difference between a single-blade and a twin-blade shave: the single-blade is better. A lot better. What makes the twin-blade shavers remarkable is not that they have two blades or anything like that, but that the disposable cartridges are designed so that you can grasp the handle and carelessly scrape the blades across your face without cutting yourself.

The double-edged, single-bladed safety razors introduced in 1903 had nearly sixty years to evolve before the introduction of the cartridge razor. And they remain the ideal tool for shaving. Yes, you can cut yourself with them: on the other hand, if you're not an idiot and know how to use one, you get the best shave possible with the current technology.

Nanorazor Face Beaver Droid Army

Date: 2006-03-27 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The real juncture of the increasing number decreasing size razors is having our faces populated by nanoscale beaver-like bio machines that cut down beard stubble stumps and eat them for energy - a permanently baby butt smooth face - just hope they don't mutate.

Mass Shaving Razors?

Date: 2006-03-28 06:41 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Obviously, the danger comes from having some kind of technology at it's peak. Will the occidental governments allow for this edge-tech to be accessible for not trusted countries?

Imagine armies of razor-bots attempting to get a close shave on everyone. It's the end of the world!

I would also take a look at the number of hamburgers, just heard someone released a commercial three-heights. Nano-hamburgers could mean the end for a lot of people.

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Date: 2006-03-29 09:01 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hattifattener
Nanotech will only get us to 10 7 blades or so. If I read the chart right, a few milliseconds after that, the blade spacing will be shorter than the Planck length, and, uhhhh, <tech tech tech>!

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Date: 2006-04-27 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ishldgetoutmore.livejournal.com
They probably need those infinite-blade razors to trim hairy black holes...

cool

Date: 2006-04-28 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dcdragon67.livejournal.com
am i the only one here who's actually believing this? (or are we all?)

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Date: 2006-04-29 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jdm314.livejournal.com
In case no one else has linked this yet: Irregular Webcomic (http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1186.html)

Re: Minds think

Date: 2006-05-14 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredtheavenger.livejournal.com
The "five bladed Gillette fusion" actally has six blades, so we're there already. Or at least, you are. I haven't seen it this side of the Atlantic yet.

Re: S curve

Date: 2006-06-18 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doctor-frank.livejournal.com
How many people right now could tell the difference between a 3-blade shave and a 4 blade shave?
Oh that's easy - simply count the number of equidistant red parallel lines on the person's face ;)

(arrived here via Majikthise via Pharyngula). I'd actually been meaning to do a post myself about the razor thing since I saw it in a presentation by Doug Hoftstadter discussing the `Singularity'.

Re: Nanorazor Face Beaver Droid Army

Date: 2006-06-20 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] physgrrl.livejournal.com
Yeah...but what girl will kiss you? Or is that a non-issue? :)

Gee, didn't Norelco give us this already?

Date: 2006-06-28 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Wow! As if spending $10 per razor refill weren't enough already! I'm definitely going to buy some Gillette stock now.

The Schick Infini-T

Date: 2006-07-12 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kazvorpal.livejournal.com
Image

Personally, I'm holding out for the Wearable Norelco.

Re: Nanorazor Face Beaver Droid Army

Date: 2006-07-12 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barking-iguana.livejournal.com
Nanogoats, keeping the undergrowth in check.

Re: cool

Date: 2006-07-12 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barking-iguana.livejournal.com
Hey, how did you find your way here? I know the blogger from Columbia University Games Club.

The Quintippio Megashave

Date: 2006-07-12 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Philips' Cool Skin line had a similar parody with the Quintippio Megashave which can be seen at http://www.coolskin.philips.com

Re: The Quintippio Megashave

Date: 2006-07-14 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kazvorpal.livejournal.com
Well, yeah, but that one only has 15 blades...it's puny.

The Infini-T has infinite blades, or your money back.

You'll note the year of its release at the bottom.

By that time, of course, all appliances are wireless.

Re: S curve

Date: 2006-09-02 06:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plymouth.livejournal.com
I did actually notice a difference going from the 2-bladed Sensor-Excell to the 3-bladed Mach-3... but the difference was, I'm pretty sure, due more to the fact that the head of the Mach-3 swivels in a more useful way than anything to do with the number of blades. For the most part multiple blades just seem to make it harder to keep them clean because hairs like to get jammed in the gap between the blades.

Re: Occam's Razor?

Date: 2006-09-05 03:32 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The real question is -- will it get your Schick out of shape?

We've been here before

Date: 2007-01-21 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Remember 1000 bit cd players ? Then suddenly one (1) bit was enough. I forsee that Gillette may go to six blade but then they will launch a super one blade with super techonology and that will be enough and competitors will follow suite.

Maybe a single blade with rotating nano size cutters.

Re: Occam's Razor?

Date: 2007-05-06 02:52 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
the first blade lifts, the second one cuts, you get your schick out of shape.

Re: The Quintippio Megashave

Date: 2007-09-02 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kazvorpal.livejournal.com
Image

Here's the current location of that image...

Re: another factor

Date: 2008-03-14 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That's not possible actually unless there is a person in the world with infinite strings of beard on their face and I know even King Kong doesn't have that much hair

Re: We've been here before

Date: 2009-07-03 06:41 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Uh.. no. Maybe you mean 16-bit (65535 discrete levels)

1000 bit would be ~10^300 discrete levels: we don't have the technology to do that.

1-bit DACs work by using a higher frequency (like 2Mhz instead of 44.1kHz), then using some kind of Digital signal processing to make the two discrete voltage levels sound good in the audible frequency range (20Hz-22KHz).

As some people hinted at, electric razors already have hundreds of "blades" (If you count all the holes on the screens).

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Date: 2010-05-07 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olumsuz.livejournal.com
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